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    • #4817
      Avataraurelius
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      there is little about mining around … and … i havn’t found it here … so … i guess nobody does it?

       

       

      first thing is that wangal is next to a gold mine. did i say goldmine?

      i ment painit mine.

       

      its at YEN K’UIE 2

      The inner ring has rich amounts of metalls and consists of palladium, gold, platin and cheap stuff plus about 10% painit. not all sites are the same … in every site, about 9 ores are present, while others are missing … in this case … dont look anymore … thats heaven.

       

      so … mining … first time i thought “ok, you have to try anything once … lets get it over with” but it was the same with exploring .. it was way more fun than i ever expected. its not bountyhunting … but compared to shipping stuff … its great!

       

      so … what about mining?

      first its not for beginners. not because of the skill, but the investment. to make it worth doing, you would need expensive stuff. (again … same with exploring .. and by expensive, i mean expensive for a beginner who stucks with 3000§ missions.)

      how to do mining? well, thats the job for youtube. 😉

      if you use a smaller refinarys, you just have 3 to 5 slots. thats enough, but means a lot of work and that means loosing time and adding an element thats not funny: venting half ref stuff to nirvana.

      taking a big 7 or 9 slot refi means you can put more or less anything you find inside, without thinking what has priority. just mine, ref anything and waste some cheap stuff if you found some more painte.

      than you have to have an ship to put the ref inside (or … i guess .. thats step one … hm. nevermind) … to make it work … take an type 6 transporter. bigger ships are better, but going below Typ6 doesnt make much sense.

      next things are cargo bays, collector limpet- and prospecter limpet controller.

      looks something like that:

      http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70W,EiUEiU,2-5U72723w5U3w6k,0720725Sm0b_7QE5v2

      all in all … if you have 2mills … you are good to go.

       

      i sayed before mining is nothing for beginners … its also nothing for endgamers … because to be true .. there are more interessting things to do than shooting on astros … but its a good middle game.

       

      mining is about making money. in this field, its like traiding … but …  its less risk, less boring and brings a bit less money.

       

      why less risk? because if you work within a ring, nobody will come to fight you. the only time you might have a risk is while flying home. and even if you lose your stuff … you never lose money, just time.

      why less boring? because you have to look out for stuff to mine and mine them … instead of enter one by one the same ports over and over again. true .. trading is great while watching youtube … but i feel empty doing it.

       

      It brings less money … thats true … but not everytime. if you are lucky and there are miningmissions, you can make a fortune with one click. (250 000 for 3 painite and so on)

       

      so … always remember … for every ship you blow up, an miner gets rich by selling minerals to shipmakers .. be smart .. be part of that proud tradition!

       

      Glück auf!

      aurelius


      :: Si vis pacem, para bellum ::

    • #4819
      AvatarSketchy
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      Is mining a new feature?

      Seriously though, reading all that, you have convinced me to give it another shot. I tend to look at the dollar-profit-per-hour too much. Thank you for listing a good area to mine in. I was doing the combat thing in Bernard’s Star, 5a, high zone once, and noticed a lot of gold fragments from the NPC ships mining there. But the smell of Fed space really gets to you.

      Cheers.

    • #4821
      AvatarCMDR Solastar
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      I am going to outfit a miner as my next ship for sure maybe a type 7? That seems a bit of grinding as i only just finished my smuggling DBS but maybe I will start with a type 6. what is your usual credit amount for a full load in the type 6?

    • #4823
      AvatarBlain Crighton
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      They upped the yield from roid when you use Prospectors didn’t they?
      I haven’t tired mining in 1.4, but have a Cobra outfitted and have done a bit of mining in near by [string letter name system here, have to look up at home]

      Didnt realize you could get Painite in YEN K’UIE 2, good spotting

    • #4826
      AvatarHazara
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      Its on my bucket list, right after trading.

      • #4828
        AvatarNZSimian
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        You bring the hard hat, I’ll bring the guns. And beers.
        🙂

    • #4830
      Avataraurelius
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      happy to bring it back into view.

       

      i understand the money/hour thing .. i do the same … and i keept a lot of records … and it pays off … esp if you are lucky with missions.if you fokus on mining for some time, its a good idea to log off with an full cargo bay and hope for missions. i did some times every day one round … so i had missions at my start and at the end of each tour … this doubled my income, compared to weekend runs where is did mining after mining.

       

      and yea .. its location, location, location. you need a planet with high content .. and than check out what kind of minerals you find … if you find copper and alu … go away 😉

       

      and NEVER mine in extraction fields … always fly to a ring and enter on a position where there is nothing and nobody … because you dont want to deal with pirates.

       

      the ship setup depends greatly on your personal bottleneck … and that depends on your miningstyle. with the transporters, your bottleneck is the shooting on the astro … with a type 6 you will have to fire about 3 full loads, means it takes 3 rechargecycles to complete the mine .. with an ASP it takes 2 and with an python just one.

      next thing is collecting .. as it takes with an t6 longer to mine, you need less collecter drones .. you have to balance that … with a t6 2 drones are good .. with a python 6 will be needet to make it work fast.

       

      i dont know aout the yield … with or without … you have about 9 – 11 fragments per astro … but in any way … drones used for prosp makes finding lucrative astros pretty fast .. and because one lucrative astro will bring you about 4 tons of stuff, its ok to waste 3 drones on the way to find that good piece of rock.


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      • #4834
        AvatarSketchy
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        with a type 6 you will have to fire about 3 full loads, means it takes 3 rechargecycles to complete the mine .. with an ASP it takes 2 and with an python just one

        This is probably more related to your power plant, I fitted an ASP out last night and, using a medium mining laser, 4 pips to weapons, it had a steady stream what would have taken off 4 bars before the asteroid was completely mined.

        An 8 bin processor was the largest I could fit, but it worked well.

        Profitable vs a Hi/HazRez? Nope. Having a good source of missions would help it well.

      • #4853
        Avataraurelius
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        This is probably more related to your power plant, I fitted an ASP out last night and, using a medium mining laser, 4 pips to weapons, it had a steady stream what would have taken off 4 bars before the asteroid was completely mined. An 8 bin processor was the largest I could fit, but it worked well. Profitable vs a Hi/HazRez? Nope. Having a good source of missions would help it well.

        yea .. powerplant and also energy distribution … in anyway i talk always about all hardpoints with mininglasers. and yes: that means beeing no match for pirates … thats one other thing that speeks for the ASP … it makes quite a run.

        and of course its quite rough … i also had the feeling that beeing near an astro also makes it faster … but this might just be an illusion. however .. the thing is that you have to put stuff in the refi all the time while mining … at some point i had some kind of rythm of mining, switching etc … its absolutly different with the phyton: mining and collecting is done in 8-13 seconds.

         

        the nice thing about it: there is no recipe for doing it … its like fighting … you have to use the stuff you can work with in the best way there is …

        the thing with the profit is that you are 90% of time absolute out of danger … there is almost nothing you can do that is  saver … if this would bring the same as say bountyhunting … it would be outbalanced, because there, you are in (potential) danger about 90% of the time.

        is this save-thing that makes it, from my perspective, quite a nice thing for the middlegame … but boring if you have less and less to fear …


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    • #5231
      Avataraurelius
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      They upped the yield from roid when you use Prospectors didn’t they?

      late: but: yea. they did.

      using an A controller makes 10 junks to about 40. we talking about half a million, if this rock has some painit in it.

       

      i buyed my conda way to soon .. so i went back to save and easy money an made a miner conda. the bigger internals made using a better prosp. drone controller not feeling like wasting cargo … so i got myself the better version … and HELL! 5 collector drones was not enough. now i mine with 10 collector drones … 40 junks a astro .. thats about 3mil in an hour, if you search for painite, paladium and platin mainly.

       

      i am back into mining 😀


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    • #5232
      AvatarCrimshadow
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      I would be up for some wing mining if someone wants to give it a shot.

      Imagine someone bringing in a type 9 with collector limpets, cargo storage, and a big refinery. The other 2 players bring in a cobra or other easy to manage ship with mining lasers and prospecting limpets. The easy to move ships do all the searching for the best rocks and the type 9 picks it all up.

      From what i have read, each player mines from a rock individually so that means you could have a lot of fragments coming off of a single rock once you find one with something valuable in it.

    • #5281
      Avataraurelius
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      i would be open for that. in a variation.

      first: i dont understand the tradingmechanics in a wing … because … i never did it. as far as i could read, the station gives the wingmembers 5% of the income as a bonus, so the trader doesnt lose anything? is that right?

       

      the bottleneck with mining is normaly the collecting … collecting 40 chunks is even with 10 drones a lot of time and work (the refs are working a bit more automatic, but not complete in 1.4) … but the real time eater is of course finding a great place to mine. (this takes about 2-5 minutes)

      (the conda needs 5-6 x 4sec burts with 4 x 10sec recharges to mine 40 chunks .. say: one minute. to collect all of that it takes an other minute) and an other 1-2 minutes to get all that stuff.

      to get to the next location .. say its about an other minute or two … that gives the scout 5 minutes to find an other location.

      so roughly i would say

      find location: 5 minutes

      get to it: 2 minutes

      mine: 1 minute

      collect: 2 minutes

       

      doing that alone is about 2.5-3mils

      i would guess that would mean about 5 mio in one hour .. thats 250 000 for the wing member, nice but not the great cut, isnt it?

      if it would be possible to split the profit, it would be quite a nice thing to push lowbies … but with only 5% it doesnt look like a great deal, even for lowbies.


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    • #5282
      AvatarXsannz
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      Yep 5% of profits of any trading, exploration data selling or bounties etc get credited to a wing, they have to be in system and either dock or be outside the station within the vicinity to get the rewards.

      Much like how I am offering the reward to an escort wing here when I return to the bubble.

      The will receive credit from me handing in my data although because once I’m back I’ll hand in the bulk but save some for other systems to gain permits.

       

      The one thing I’m not clear on is that if the 5% counts towards their rank progression or not.

       

      I may sweeten my deal for wing escort by buying some gold and dropping it for the wing as a bigger pay.

       

       

      Assistant Angeli Imperial Custodian (Wangal)

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    • #5285
      Avataraurelius
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      […] dropping it for the wing as a bigger pay.

      thats as simple as it is beauty. yep. that would work.

      i think that could be a good scout build:

      http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,,2-7272725U5U5U6k,05U05U7Ro02M5Q65vM

      you can bring 32 drones … but thats not a problem, because the miningship can transfer drones, if you need more, for that i would add the collector controller.

      but to be fair … i think fighting in a wing is still more fun.


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    • #5296
      AvatarXsannz
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      we did some of the mining CG’s this way where condas and bigger ships could make the bigger jump ranges, we had several smaller t6’s mining then dropping the cargo a way out and the conda would fill up and then jump to the destination.

      I have found that limpet collectors tend to work better when your on your own so in the cg the dropships dropped and then jumped away.

      Assistant Angeli Imperial Custodian (Wangal)

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