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    • #5885
      AvatarFox Carignan
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      Tonight in the AI Wings Saga, CMDRs @kestril @DAMORGS and myself went about doing missions for AIE in HIP 20199.  We downed a few dozens pirates (and a few smugglers as it turns out).

      Including this one!

       

      Jump on TS sometime and join the mayhem!

       

      HIP 20199 - Assistant to the Custodian

      An Epitome of Elegance... And Class

    • #5886
      AvatarCMDR Kestril
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      RAMMING SPEED

    • #5887
      AvatarDAMORGS
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      RAMMING SPEED

      A favourite battle cry of mine.  🙂

    • #5889
      AvatarFox Carignan
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      A favourite battle cry of mine. :)

      I can tell!

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    • #5897
      AvatarXsannz
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      Last night one of my ascension missions was to clear off some pirates in Aymifa,

      the first lot were in normal space so i dropped out and targeted and scanned them all, (had to get 3)

      but what i noticed is it was a wing of 8 sidewinders, i really wish we could get a wing of that size rather than just a wing of 4…

      Assistant Angeli Imperial Custodian (Wangal)

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      • #5903
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        As do I Xsannz,  unfortunately I fear that FDev have decided to take the “Simple” approach to Wings and keep it down to 4 members.

        My fears are that when Multi-Crew comes out (seeing as Mr. Braben stated members of your crew would be classified as wing mates) we may not have the capacity for multiple ships in a wing?  Or will we use all 4 slots on our crew members?  If we can’t get a wing of 3-4 ships that each have 2-3 crew, I will be incredibly disappointed.

        Since I first read the Anaconda description and noticed that it can be upgraded to hold a fighter craft, I started thinking about having 10 or more commanders on at once, in a fleet doing PvP with another group.  The fleet jumps in and launches it’s fighters, each piloted by a player.

        I hope that in the future FDev will extend the capacity for wings.  Not just for Multi-Crew either, but because why limit how many of your friends can benefit from bounty-sharing and wing beacons, etc.

        HIP 20199 - Assistant to the Custodian

        An Epitome of Elegance... And Class

      • #5905
        AvatarXsannz
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        it would be fantastic fox, 6 or 8 as a minumum would allow 2 anacondas in wing with 3 or 4 ships each.

        what would be better is if the commander of the condas could wing up us a commander wing and the the fighter squadron could be it’s own sub wing of the commander..  like this:

         

        Commader 1 (conda)  + wing 1, 2, 3, 4  (so 4 subs to each commander)

        – Commader 2 (conda)   + wing 1, 2, 3, 4

        – Commader 3 (conda)   + wing 1, 2, 3, 4

        – Commader 4 (conda)  + wing 1, 2, 3, 4

         

        and each commander can communicate as in a wing,  thus each commander can inform the other of tactics and changes that he can the pass to his sub wing or hold back as not important etc.

         

        this would allow groups such as ours to have epic scale battles with other groups

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      • #5912
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        I know exactly what you’re talking about.  Before I bought E:D, I was heavily involved in Planetside 2 (PS2).  There were three different types of groups in PS2: 1) An Outfit, often the largest of the three it is comparable to a guild/group like the Angeli. 2) A Platoon, a group of up to 48 players that has 1 Platoon Leader. 3) A Squad, a group of up to 12 players with a squad leader.
        Each Squad Leader/Platoon Leader had access to the “Command Channel” which would allow them to speak privately to each other without disturbing members of the Platoon.

        If we could have something similar except on a smaller scale in E:D, that would be great.  Especially with the small fighters coming sometime next year.

        HIP 20199 - Assistant to the Custodian

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      • #5949
        AvatarBaron von Schnellenstein
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        In theory, this is nice.

        In practice, unsociable groups will abuse this and no-one will play in open – everyone will go to private groups or solo most of the time

         


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      • #8292
        AvatarAnonymous
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        Here Here man. The use of fighters from a large ship like a ‘Conda has been shown to us from the very early days of E:D

    • #5919
      AvatarXsannz
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      Yeah from memory it was the same with commander mode in a few games i have played, but again that also ties back to Damorgs commentary around needing an Ingame common chat for our group as well.  which would fit the above model as well.

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      • #5925
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        Having some more functionality for the Private Groups would be great.  A common chat, yes.  But perhaps a few other things like a Group Bulletin Board (Message of the day, Mission Status, website name, etc.) or the ability to add friends from the Private Group screen.

        1.2 “Wings” gave us something, a start perhaps, but as we head into the second year of life and the second season of expansion I believe it would be nice to finish rounding off the social elements of the game.

        HIP 20199 - Assistant to the Custodian

        An Epitome of Elegance... And Class

    • #5948
      AvatarBaron von Schnellenstein
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      Each Squad Leader/Platoon Leader had access to the “Command Channel” which would allow them to speak privately to each other without disturbing members of the Platoon.

      I know you’re referring to a wishlist for in-game (E : D) infrastructure/functionality, but…

      Our TS server, set up by @MrPing (praise be the WebMaster’s name! [thx @foxcarignan for inspiring this kind of reference to MrPing :p] ) has:

      • four ‘normal’ wing channels satisfying the first part of Fox’s suggestion; And,
      • an “officer’s club” channel which would satisfy the second part of Fox’s suggestion

      Furthermore, @Kestril, our Dir. of Combat Operations has previously outlined some ideas on various tactical formations based on ship size and their intended utilisation.

      Perhaps Kestril can dig up his post and point you at it – it would probably be good to revise this in the face of the SCB changes and new ships available and the tactical/strategic implications of these


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    • #5958
      AvatarCMDR Kestril
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      That would be this post here It may need some revising with SCB changes, and new ground-attack wings could be theorized for attacking outposts.

    • #5970
      AvatarFox Carignan
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      Looking at that thread, I like it allot.  I’d love to coordinate with y’all to figure out how we could better use coordinated firepower.  Perhaps even some inter-group activities in enemy territory?

      Combined arms missions are definitely a good next step, but lets hold off on making any decision about that until the latter-end of the beta so we can make informed decisions.


      @Kestril
      If you would like the company, I have a habit of designing ships and I would love to help with our tactics.

      Now this is where groups become really fun.

       

      Edit:  Maybe we could have a forum where CMDRs can post the content of their fleet?  That way we can get an idea of who has access to the “Main Battle” ships such as the Anaconda, Python, FDL, Cutter, Corvette, etc.  We would be able to get a better idea of which squadron we, as a single player group, could run.  I am aware there is a spot for that in a profile page, but just a thought.

      HIP 20199 - Assistant to the Custodian

      An Epitome of Elegance... And Class

    • #5981
      AvatarXsannz
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      Would be interesting to have a wing of 4 Strike FDL’s or Clippers, and a support wing of 2x T6/T7 with fuel limpets and cargo space to hoover up the spoils supported by two other fighters.

       

      at the end of the evening each t6 t7 split off into an escort made up of three of each and the spoils are split with each wing.

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      • #5983
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        Fuel limpets are likely not required unless we plan on refueling the feds before we blow them out of the sky.  Our offensive wing can just grab some Scoops.  As for cargo haulers, I’d personally prefer something more along the lines of a Clipper or a Python because they have comparable cargo capacity but can defend themselves a bit better.  I do know that we have a few Pythons in our fleet, though I’m not certain if they are familiar with the idea of actually saving the cargo they pilfer.

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      • #5984
        AvatarXsannz
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        I agree, however, given that alot of our newer members dont have the finances to run a python  at the level required never mind the insurance.

         

        ASP wing / FDL wing is more achievable,  and T6 / T7 are good sized cargo ships,  for us that can afford the higher end ships then yes i concur, but for the lower tier financial ranks then perhaps we need to consider other wing mixes such as t6 and cobras / vultures, eagles etc.

         

        just thinking about upskilling and onboarding new member as horizons will possibly cause an influx, its all good us running the old boys pew pew club, but we need to considering keep the younger / lesser experienced pilots trained up and coming through, we can still have our whiskey and cigar runs but occasionally as the Rail sidewinder expedition proved sometimes its just about the fun .

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      • #5986
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        I certainly believe that we need to incorporate lower-tier ships into the composition.  Even then I feel we would need to be careful.  If you bring a Lakon along for a piracy mission, cahnces are that Lakon is going to be a big target for any opposing commanders.  Perhaps we could have Vultures of Cobras as the offensive ships, and Asps, Clippers, or Pythons as our collectors.

        Or, we could stay with the traditional pirate approach and have each ship bring it’s own cargo hold, then once it takes it’s fill it can go to a nearby system in which they are not wanted and sell off the loot.
        Forcing victims of piracy to Jettison-Abandon is standard practice, which means hopefully we will not need to worry about black-market dealings too much.

        My big point here is, I am perfectly happy taking an Eagle, Viper or, Cobra into battle, but not a Lakon.  They’re great ships, I’ve owned many myself, but they might end up being a liability in PvP.  So yes I agree with you entirely, with the exception I believe taking a T6 or a T7 into combat is impractical.

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      • #5988
        AvatarXsannz
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        fair enough i value your opinion as mine is purely theoretical rather than practical at this point, although when i first got Berta i had her fitted out and did interdict and shoot down a few haulers, but that was very targeted picking i would never pick on a wing .. so i get your point.

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      • #5992
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        A T6 is more than a match for a Hauler.  What I am looking to attack are things like T7 or maybe a trade Python if we can get the numbers to overwhelm it.  It is also worth mentioning that player skill widely varies and some of our targets may be more crafty than others.

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    • #5995
      AvatarXsannz
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      yeah i see your point, if i was going to be trade running or smuggling i’d grab a T7 and black paint job, fit out heatsink launchers and lowest thermal profile gear as i could and the moment i got interdicted i would hit boost twice, spam heatsink launchers then flip silent running on and flight assist off, since then you dont slow down you go thermally invisible  and drop off the radar.

       

      ^ this is the theory, ive heard of it being mentioned and ive seen one video but that was in early beta where the canopy would actually freeze over and you could shut down your power source as well.

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    • #5997
      AvatarDAMORGS
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      Perhaps the smaller fighters would be better suited to escorting the larger ships.  I’d be happy to run the Anaconda with an escort of Vipers for example.  Where the Annie is smashing out mega damage the Vipers/Eagles etc are swooping around just generally being a royal pain in the ass.

      This of course, would require other wings with different ships.

    • #5999
      AvatarXsannz
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      I’d be keen to grab a Viper or Vulture and give this a go..

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      • #6000
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        Canopy will still freeze over by the way.  True, you can no longer turn off your Power Plant (although I don’t see why not.  You can turn everything else off, including Hull Reinforcement Packages…)

        Absolutely we could have an escort for the bigger ships.  This could be anything fast and furious.  For example, FDL, Viper, Vulture, Courier, etc.

        I have done more piracy in my time than I am willing to admit to, but I have not tried everything.  Bringing an Annie is one of the things I have not thought of, possible just because I usually hunt alone and you need something much faster to chase down those pesky traders.


        @DAMORGS
        Can we start arranging CQC nights and Fed Incursion nights?  I would love to have some ‘fun’ with you lot but, for me at least, might need a few days prior warning in order to be up and about at the proper time.  😉

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    • #6003
      AvatarXsannz
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      CQC night or Incursion Nights sign me up.

       

      what about a cobra MkIII or MkIV as the smaler hit and run ships.

      https://forums.frontier.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=78383

      Look at that beautiful convergence on a MKIV  5 Railgun 4 pips to Weapons. PEW PEW

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      • #6005
        AvatarFox Carignan
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        Cobra MK IV has great hardpoint placement.  Anybody with access to it would be a fool not to try and grab one.  I think they’d work great.

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    • #6006
      AvatarDAMORGS
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       Can we start arranging CQC nights and Fed Incursion nights? I would love to have some ‘fun’ with you lot but, for me at least, might need a few days prior warning in order to be up and about at the proper time.  

      Absolutely!  Might be a bit difficult with the 2.0 beta just releasing, but I’d be up for some form of pew pew with a Herald of Angeli. 🙂

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